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	<title>Comments on: JSR-299: Beating the Dead J2EE Horse</title>
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		<title>By: rainwebs</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>rainwebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a final comment to the final draft submission:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/#comment-167271&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a final comment to the final draft submission:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/#comment-167271" rel="nofollow">http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: sferg</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>sferg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a full example of JSR-299, take a look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://subethamail.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SubEtha maillist&lt;/a&gt; server.  Because code examples are so small and generally contrived, they don&#039;t show how a technology is used in the real world.  A full open source example like SubEtha is much better to get a feel for the technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a full example of JSR-299, take a look at the <a href="http://subethamail.org" rel="nofollow">SubEtha maillist</a> server.  Because code examples are so small and generally contrived, they don&#39;t show how a technology is used in the real world.  A full open source example like SubEtha is much better to get a feel for the technology.</p>
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		<title>By: rainwebs</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>rainwebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice comparison of JSR-299 and Spring:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/#comment-167258&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice comparison of JSR-299 and Spring:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat-reacts-to-springsources-leadership/#comment-167258" rel="nofollow">http://blog.springsource.com/2009/06/03/red-hat&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: rainwebs</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>rainwebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, SpringSource and Google already suggested a JSR-330 for a pure, low-level DI standardization and all the EJB container guys had problems with it:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/06/09/dependency-injection/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/06/09/dependenc...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, SpringSource and Google already suggested a JSR-330 for a pure, low-level DI standardization and all the EJB container guys had problems with it:</p>
<p><a href="http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/06/09/dependency-injection/" rel="nofollow">http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/06/09/dependenc&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: rainwebs</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>rainwebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, credits for efficient architectures would be enough to me ;-). The POJO concept is not what is important here. But, how Spring is using it in comparison to EJB 3 and the influence on architecture, maintenance and the like. We also talk about Web container vs. EJB container. So, &quot;Spring POJOs&quot; is a term for the, if you so will, component model behind Spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, credits for efficient architectures would be enough to me <img src='http://blog.rainwebs.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . The POJO concept is not what is important here. But, how Spring is using it in comparison to EJB 3 and the influence on architecture, maintenance and the like. We also talk about Web container vs. EJB container. So, &#8220;Spring POJOs&#8221; is a term for the, if you so will, component model behind Spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spring POJOs&quot; ? POJOs were around *before* Spring, and POJO persistence similarly. Terming it &quot;Spring + POJOs&quot; would be more appropriate, because otherwise some of us would think you Spring people just want to claim credit for anything ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spring POJOs&#8221; ? POJOs were around *before* Spring, and POJO persistence similarly. Terming it &#8220;Spring + POJOs&#8221; would be more appropriate, because otherwise some of us would think you Spring people just want to claim credit for anything &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rainwebs</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>rainwebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod recently did a presentation about the Tomcat stuff, the dm Server:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infoq.com/presentations/dm-Server-Rod-Johnson&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.infoq.com/presentations/dm-Server-Ro...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod recently did a presentation about the Tomcat stuff, the dm Server:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.infoq.com/presentations/dm-Server-Rod-Johnson" rel="nofollow">http://www.infoq.com/presentations/dm-Server-Ro&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its time to use Grails man ;D Spring under the hood, no xml configuration to be seen, just a nice fresh BeanBuilder DSL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its time to use Grails man ;D Spring under the hood, no xml configuration to be seen, just a nice fresh BeanBuilder DSL.</p>
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		<title>By: Horse</title>
		<link>http://blog.rainwebs.net/2009/06/08/jsr-299-beating-the-dead-j2ee-horse/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The horse on that picture doesn&#039;t look all that dead to me ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The horse on that picture doesn&#39;t look all that dead to me <img src='http://blog.rainwebs.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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